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		<title>By: Divergence Pays Off, and some DSM Targets &#149; dummyspots.com</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/tdameritrade-strategydesk-11-arrives-an-example-with-the-tradingmarkets-r2-method/#comment-3088</link>
		<author>Divergence Pays Off, and some DSM Targets &#149; dummyspots.com</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This idea started evolving when I tested the TradingMarkets R2 Method using Ameritrade StrategyDesk back in early March. (BTW, Bill is using the actual R2 Method over at his site right now- check it out and follow along. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This idea started evolving when I tested the TradingMarkets R2 Method using Ameritrade StrategyDesk back in early March. (BTW, Bill is using the actual R2 Method over at his site right now- check it out and follow along. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: TDAmeritrade StrategyDesk 1.2 - Looks Like Someone Is Listening &#149; dummyspots.com</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/tdameritrade-strategydesk-11-arrives-an-example-with-the-tradingmarkets-r2-method/#comment-2974</link>
		<author>TDAmeritrade StrategyDesk 1.2 - Looks Like Someone Is Listening &#149; dummyspots.com</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] DummySpots: &#8230;if you develop software of any kind (or hardware, or pretzels for that matter), when you release a new, improved version, for the sake of Judas Priest TELL US WHAT THE FREAKING IMPROVEMENTS ARE!!! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] DummySpots: &#8230;if you develop software of any kind (or hardware, or pretzels for that matter), when you release a new, improved version, for the sake of Judas Priest TELL US WHAT THE FREAKING IMPROVEMENTS ARE!!! [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/tdameritrade-strategydesk-11-arrives-an-example-with-the-tradingmarkets-r2-method/#comment-1779</link>
		<author>Will</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 02:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BNJ - keep diggin', we'll strike gold at some point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BNJ - keep diggin&#8217;, we&#8217;ll strike gold at some point!</p>
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		<title>By: BNJ</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/tdameritrade-strategydesk-11-arrives-an-example-with-the-tradingmarkets-r2-method/#comment-1768</link>
		<author>BNJ</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh well, didn't work. The option prices just weren't sensitive enough to those small price fluctuations in a swing trading system like this. Back to the drawing board....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh well, didn&#8217;t work. The option prices just weren&#8217;t sensitive enough to those small price fluctuations in a swing trading system like this. Back to the drawing board&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/tdameritrade-strategydesk-11-arrives-an-example-with-the-tradingmarkets-r2-method/#comment-1628</link>
		<author>Will</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BNJ- sorry for the delay in responding.  Been busy at work, at the dentist, with my daughters, and then ranting on and on in my latest post.  You know how it is, though- sometimes, you just gotta &lt;em&gt;write&lt;/em&gt; that stuff off your chest.

My suspicion was that R3/R4 was some kind of an RSI combo play... R3 for entries, R4 for exits, or whatever.  But your theory sounds like you may be onto something, and it would indeed explain the outrageous gains they've recorded.  Please let us know how the in-the-money options experiment goes.  Y'know, the one you do in some of that spare time ;-)  Thanks for the info!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BNJ- sorry for the delay in responding.  Been busy at work, at the dentist, with my daughters, and then ranting on and on in my latest post.  You know how it is, though- sometimes, you just gotta <em>write</em> that stuff off your chest.</p>
<p>My suspicion was that R3/R4 was some kind of an RSI combo play&#8230; R3 for entries, R4 for exits, or whatever.  But your theory sounds like you may be onto something, and it would indeed explain the outrageous gains they&#8217;ve recorded.  Please let us know how the in-the-money options experiment goes.  Y&#8217;know, the one you do in some of that spare time <img src='http://dummyspots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for the info!</p>
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		<title>By: BNJ</title>
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		<author>BNJ</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right, I've been playing around with R2 using SD for a while, and I've also been reading TradingMarkets' marketing copy about R3/R4, and I'm prepared to make a bold prediction as to how it works. (Well maybe it's not that bold after all, since someone will have to pony up 8 grand just to prove me wrong. But anyway....)

All my backtesting with R2 to date has been encouraging. It seems to perform reliably well in different kinds of markets, and that's not too shabby. 

My tests against the historic data of the NASDAQ Top 100 (the individual stocks, not the index) have been generally profitable. My trades were in lots of 100 shares, held for a week or so on average, and yielded an average profit of 40 to 60 bucks per trade after commissions. My net average yield is something like one percent per trade. Not too shabby, and I'll take it, unless I have something better, but.... It would be hard to replicate these results in practice. It often requires holding several positions simultaneously, and having huge exposure in the equities market (I don't know about the rest of you guys, but holding 100 shares of GOOG puts a hefty dent in my walking-around money.)

Anyway, my bet is that the R3/R4 system is, as you suggest, a tweaked and tuned variant of R2. I think the &lt;i&gt;big&lt;/i&gt; difference is that R3/R4 uses long, in-the-money call options rather than the purchase of the underlying. That could leverage your returns well above the one-percent range. Delta for a deep-in-the-money call is damn near one, so you'd essentially get the same profit profile for a fraction of the investment, thus boosting your percent profit significantly.

Can I prove it? Probably not, but I am going to do a test. I'm going to take one of my R2 spreadsheets from SD, mock up some options prices using a Black-Scholes model, and recalculate what my returns would have been based on a strategy of trading options using the same buy and sell rules, to see if it approaches anything like the 260% they claim. (I know, in all my spare time, right?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right, I&#8217;ve been playing around with R2 using SD for a while, and I&#8217;ve also been reading TradingMarkets&#8217; marketing copy about R3/R4, and I&#8217;m prepared to make a bold prediction as to how it works. (Well maybe it&#8217;s not that bold after all, since someone will have to pony up 8 grand just to prove me wrong. But anyway&#8230;.)</p>
<p>All my backtesting with R2 to date has been encouraging. It seems to perform reliably well in different kinds of markets, and that&#8217;s not too shabby. </p>
<p>My tests against the historic data of the NASDAQ Top 100 (the individual stocks, not the index) have been generally profitable. My trades were in lots of 100 shares, held for a week or so on average, and yielded an average profit of 40 to 60 bucks per trade after commissions. My net average yield is something like one percent per trade. Not too shabby, and I&#8217;ll take it, unless I have something better, but&#8230;. It would be hard to replicate these results in practice. It often requires holding several positions simultaneously, and having huge exposure in the equities market (I don&#8217;t know about the rest of you guys, but holding 100 shares of GOOG puts a hefty dent in my walking-around money.)</p>
<p>Anyway, my bet is that the R3/R4 system is, as you suggest, a tweaked and tuned variant of R2. I think the <i>big</i> difference is that R3/R4 uses long, in-the-money call options rather than the purchase of the underlying. That could leverage your returns well above the one-percent range. Delta for a deep-in-the-money call is damn near one, so you&#8217;d essentially get the same profit profile for a fraction of the investment, thus boosting your percent profit significantly.</p>
<p>Can I prove it? Probably not, but I am going to do a test. I&#8217;m going to take one of my R2 spreadsheets from SD, mock up some options prices using a Black-Scholes model, and recalculate what my returns would have been based on a strategy of trading options using the same buy and sell rules, to see if it approaches anything like the 260% they claim. (I know, in all my spare time, right?)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/tdameritrade-strategydesk-11-arrives-an-example-with-the-tradingmarkets-r2-method/#comment-1534</link>
		<author>Mike O'Connor</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say, I only recently found your blog and it's very good... and helpful (this report on the R2 method being an example of a worthwhile report).

I haven't done much backtesting of the R2 method but I have done some spreadsheet backtesting that was, as you suggest, on variations of it. I too find that there's something to it.

You can also just use, say, Yahoo's new charts. Their RSI technical study seems accurate and they have nice bouncing balls that get attracted to the closing prices and to the RSI data points so that you can see where you are. I was astounded just with my first inspection of SPY and RSI2 that way. 

One thing that I found (something like the TradingMarkets improvements) was that if RSI2 gets hung up above 75 for, say, three days, then if it comes down below 25 you don't want to go long the first day below 25. It definitely pays to wait another day. But if it only went up above 75 for one day and then went down below 25 you want to go long immediately. Sometimes you can bang back and forth for three or four days in a row with a winner each day and without having to wait more than a day to cash in.

I can add that it doesn't seem to work for daytrading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say, I only recently found your blog and it&#8217;s very good&#8230; and helpful (this report on the R2 method being an example of a worthwhile report).</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t done much backtesting of the R2 method but I have done some spreadsheet backtesting that was, as you suggest, on variations of it. I too find that there&#8217;s something to it.</p>
<p>You can also just use, say, Yahoo&#8217;s new charts. Their RSI technical study seems accurate and they have nice bouncing balls that get attracted to the closing prices and to the RSI data points so that you can see where you are. I was astounded just with my first inspection of SPY and RSI2 that way. </p>
<p>One thing that I found (something like the TradingMarkets improvements) was that if RSI2 gets hung up above 75 for, say, three days, then if it comes down below 25 you don&#8217;t want to go long the first day below 25. It definitely pays to wait another day. But if it only went up above 75 for one day and then went down below 25 you want to go long immediately. Sometimes you can bang back and forth for three or four days in a row with a winner each day and without having to wait more than a day to cash in.</p>
<p>I can add that it doesn&#8217;t seem to work for daytrading.</p>
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