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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1581</link>
		<author>Will</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1581</guid>
		<description>Dave- we're all just having to learn this thing as we go, and I know for me any number of heads is better than my one.  Your thoughts have already made a significant difference in my use of StrategyDesk; I appreciate your input so please feel welcome to contribute whenever you like

As for the webcast, I guess that's a GMTA- I listened to that last one yesterday evening as well, and have some 3x5 notecards with notes jotted down, mostly about how Dave and Jeff kept having to excuse what StrategyDesk "can't do" or "can't do YET"; but also got a couple (just a couple) of good ideas:  for one, I noticed that, just like I do with the "Custom Field Wizard" under "Columns", you can set an ALERT and then see what code the program "writes" for you... and then use that as an example for new strategy formulas.

All of this would of course be unneccesary if they would just WRITE A DECENT F**KING MANUAL!!  HELLO!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave- we&#8217;re all just having to learn this thing as we go, and I know for me any number of heads is better than my one.  Your thoughts have already made a significant difference in my use of StrategyDesk; I appreciate your input so please feel welcome to contribute whenever you like</p>
<p>As for the webcast, I guess that&#8217;s a GMTA- I listened to that last one yesterday evening as well, and have some 3&#215;5 notecards with notes jotted down, mostly about how Dave and Jeff kept having to excuse what StrategyDesk &#8220;can&#8217;t do&#8221; or &#8220;can&#8217;t do YET&#8221;; but also got a couple (just a couple) of good ideas:  for one, I noticed that, just like I do with the &#8220;Custom Field Wizard&#8221; under &#8220;Columns&#8221;, you can set an ALERT and then see what code the program &#8220;writes&#8221; for you&#8230; and then use that as an example for new strategy formulas.</p>
<p>All of this would of course be unneccesary if they would just WRITE A DECENT F**KING MANUAL!!  HELLO!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1576</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 05:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1576</guid>
		<description>Thanks for your thoughts Will....  Rather than continue to make a fool out of myself and my rusty math skills, I'm going to listen to the webcasts from Ameritrade regarding this new software.  Their webcasts can be found at:

https://tdameritradeevents.webex.com/mw0302l/mywebex/default.do?siteurl=tdameritradeevents&#38;service=6&#38;main_url=%2Fec0507l%2Feventcenter%2Fmainframe.do%3Fmainurl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftdameritradeevents.webex.com%252Fec0507l%252Feventcenter%252Fevent%252FeventAction.do%253FtheAction%253Ddetail%2526confViewID%253D0%2526siteurl%253Dtdameritradeevents%26siteurl%3Dtdameritradeevents

After they complete their series of webcasts I hope to be more enlightened (Smiley Face goes here).  Thanks for the tolerance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughts Will&#8230;.  Rather than continue to make a fool out of myself and my rusty math skills, I&#8217;m going to listen to the webcasts from Ameritrade regarding this new software.  Their webcasts can be found at:</p>
<p><a href="https://tdameritradeevents.webex.com/mw0302l/mywebex/default.do?siteurl=tdameritradeevents&amp;service=6&amp;main_url=%2Fec0507l%2Feventcenter%2Fmainframe.do%3Fmainurl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftdameritradeevents.webex.com%252Fec0507l%252Feventcenter%252Fevent%252FeventAction.do%253FtheAction%253Ddetail%2526confViewID%253D0%2526siteurl%253Dtdameritradeevents%26siteurl%3Dtdameritradeevents" rel="nofollow">https://tdameritradeevents.webex.com/mw0302l/mywebex/default.do?siteurl=tdameritradeevents&amp;service=6&amp;main_url=%2Fec0507l%2Feventcenter%2Fmainframe.do%3Fmainurl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftdameritradeevents.webex.com%252Fec0507l%252Feventcenter%252Fevent%252FeventAction.do%253FtheAction%253Ddetail%2526confViewID%253D0%2526siteurl%253Dtdameritradeevents%26siteurl%3Dtdameritradeevents</a></p>
<p>After they complete their series of webcasts I hope to be more enlightened (Smiley Face goes here).  Thanks for the tolerance.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1566</link>
		<author>Will</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1566</guid>
		<description>Hmm... SD obviously is still doing some funny stuff.  The MACD formula, i.e. &lt;strong&gt;MACD[MACD,Close,12,26,9,D]&lt;/strong&gt; just evaluates to a number, so they should appear to the software as "RSI &#62; 60 AND &lt;strong&gt;1.34&lt;/strong&gt; AND &lt;strong&gt;0.8&lt;/strong&gt; AND &lt;strong&gt;-0.73&lt;/strong&gt; AND..." etc, which as you say shouldn't have any effect on the outcome.

Based on some experiments with SD's "Custom Field Wizard" under "Columns", the plain MACD formula is just returning us the actual &lt;strong&gt;difference between the moving averages&lt;/strong&gt;, in other words, pretty useless as its crossing zero just gives us the same results as a "normal" moving average crossover forumula.

The useful version appears to be the &lt;strong&gt;histogram&lt;/strong&gt; version with "Diff" in the formula, i.e. &lt;strong&gt;MACD[Diff,Close,12,26,9,D]&lt;/strong&gt;; that formula returns the difference between the MACD line (difference between the moving averages) and the &lt;strong&gt;signal&lt;/strong&gt; line... which is what we really want.  When the "Diff" formula hits zero, the MACD line is crossing the signal line, and we have a potential change in trend.  

This doesn't however, give us the important info about where the crossover is taking place (above or below the MACD "zero" line, or in other words, whether we're at the bottom of a downtrend, top of an uptrend, or the lines are just randomly crossing over each other in the middle somewhere).

Just using the "Diff" formula in addition to an RSI and/or Stochastics should be useful enough.  Knowing that we had an MACD crossover downwards with an RSI of 80 would be pretty significant.

But to make the MACD stuff itself into a useful formula, we may have to add multiple statements: &lt;strong&gt;MACD[Diff,Close,12,26,9,D] &#62; 0 AND MACD[Diff,Close,12,26,9,D,1] &#60; 0&lt;/strong&gt; (MACD "up" crossover), strung together with &lt;strong&gt; AND MACD[MACD,Close,12,26,9,D] &#60; 0&lt;/strong&gt; (lines are below zero, i.e. price is low in the trend)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; SD obviously is still doing some funny stuff.  The MACD formula, i.e. <strong>MACD[MACD,Close,12,26,9,D]</strong> just evaluates to a number, so they should appear to the software as &#8220;RSI &gt; 60 AND <strong>1.34</strong> AND <strong>0.8</strong> AND <strong>-0.73</strong> AND&#8230;&#8221; etc, which as you say shouldn&#8217;t have any effect on the outcome.</p>
<p>Based on some experiments with SD&#8217;s &#8220;Custom Field Wizard&#8221; under &#8220;Columns&#8221;, the plain MACD formula is just returning us the actual <strong>difference between the moving averages</strong>, in other words, pretty useless as its crossing zero just gives us the same results as a &#8220;normal&#8221; moving average crossover forumula.</p>
<p>The useful version appears to be the <strong>histogram</strong> version with &#8220;Diff&#8221; in the formula, i.e. <strong>MACD[Diff,Close,12,26,9,D]</strong>; that formula returns the difference between the MACD line (difference between the moving averages) and the <strong>signal</strong> line&#8230; which is what we really want.  When the &#8220;Diff&#8221; formula hits zero, the MACD line is crossing the signal line, and we have a potential change in trend.  </p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t however, give us the important info about where the crossover is taking place (above or below the MACD &#8220;zero&#8221; line, or in other words, whether we&#8217;re at the bottom of a downtrend, top of an uptrend, or the lines are just randomly crossing over each other in the middle somewhere).</p>
<p>Just using the &#8220;Diff&#8221; formula in addition to an RSI and/or Stochastics should be useful enough.  Knowing that we had an MACD crossover downwards with an RSI of 80 would be pretty significant.</p>
<p>But to make the MACD stuff itself into a useful formula, we may have to add multiple statements: <strong>MACD[Diff,Close,12,26,9,D] &gt; 0 AND MACD[Diff,Close,12,26,9,D,1] &lt; 0</strong> (MACD &#8220;up&#8221; crossover), strung together with <strong> AND MACD[MACD,Close,12,26,9,D] &lt; 0</strong> (lines are below zero, i.e. price is low in the trend)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1564</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1564</guid>
		<description>Will:  I removed the MACD section from the above Buy formula and reran the back test using the same stocks that were picked by the original formula with the MACDs.  I expected to get the same results, assuming the MACDs were just dummies.  I was surprised to find a great deal of difference.  In one case (the stock TDW) went from being bought and sold once over the period May 20, 2006 to present, to 3 times.   When I added "&#38;gt 0" to each of the MACDs I got no results at all using those same stocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will:  I removed the MACD section from the above Buy formula and reran the back test using the same stocks that were picked by the original formula with the MACDs.  I expected to get the same results, assuming the MACDs were just dummies.  I was surprised to find a great deal of difference.  In one case (the stock TDW) went from being bought and sold once over the period May 20, 2006 to present, to 3 times.   When I added &#8220;&amp;gt 0&#8243; to each of the MACDs I got no results at all using those same stocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1561</link>
		<author>Will</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1561</guid>
		<description>Dave- You are positively right about adding multiple MACDs to Advanced Analyzer, and please forgive my ignorance.  I had actually forgotten about enabling the Ind2 and Ind3 panes.

According to AMTD's (Advanced Analyzer) documentation (&lt;a href="http://advancedanalyzer.com/education/aa4man.pdf" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"&gt;pdf file here&lt;/a&gt;, it's on p. 29), the arrows appear when the averages cross the centerline- green for an "up" cross, red for "down."  I have noticed that many of the green arrows on mine appear BELOW the centerline, so go figure.  I think it may generate arrows when the faster MA crosses the slower MA AND when they cross the zero line.  Lots of arrows.

I've looked at a few stocks, and haven't seen too much correlation between all three MACDs making crosses on the same day and a subsequent trend that wouldn't have been indicated by just the longest MACD period.  But, again, just looked at a few so far, and as you see, I'm wide open to being wrong.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave- You are positively right about adding multiple MACDs to Advanced Analyzer, and please forgive my ignorance.  I had actually forgotten about enabling the Ind2 and Ind3 panes.</p>
<p>According to AMTD&#8217;s (Advanced Analyzer) documentation (<a href="http://advancedanalyzer.com/education/aa4man.pdf" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">pdf file here</a>, it&#8217;s on p. 29), the arrows appear when the averages cross the centerline- green for an &#8220;up&#8221; cross, red for &#8220;down.&#8221;  I have noticed that many of the green arrows on mine appear BELOW the centerline, so go figure.  I think it may generate arrows when the faster MA crosses the slower MA AND when they cross the zero line.  Lots of arrows.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve looked at a few stocks, and haven&#8217;t seen too much correlation between all three MACDs making crosses on the same day and a subsequent trend that wouldn&#8217;t have been indicated by just the longest MACD period.  But, again, just looked at a few so far, and as you see, I&#8217;m wide open to being wrong.  <img src='http://dummyspots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1556</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1556</guid>
		<description>The more I think about it, the more I believe you are right.  Just ANDing the MACDs together really doesn't accomplish what I hoped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I think about it, the more I believe you are right.  Just ANDing the MACDs together really doesn&#8217;t accomplish what I hoped.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1555</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dummyspots.com/2007/03/strategydesk-formulas/#comment-1555</guid>
		<description>In my TD Ameritrade Advanced Analyzer I was able to click on Chart Options and then select Ind1 where I put in the first MACD.  Then I selected Ind2 and placed the second MACD.  Finally the third MACD was placed in Ind3.  When you do that you'll note that when the chart shows there are three up arrows at the same point in time, it signals a buy according to his theory.  I just AND them together so that I could see basically the same time periods using StrategyDesk.  I'll admit I don't know how the AA determines when or where to place a green arrow.  Just a WAG on my part whether this approach would work or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my TD Ameritrade Advanced Analyzer I was able to click on Chart Options and then select Ind1 where I put in the first MACD.  Then I selected Ind2 and placed the second MACD.  Finally the third MACD was placed in Ind3.  When you do that you&#8217;ll note that when the chart shows there are three up arrows at the same point in time, it signals a buy according to his theory.  I just AND them together so that I could see basically the same time periods using StrategyDesk.  I&#8217;ll admit I don&#8217;t know how the AA determines when or where to place a green arrow.  Just a WAG on my part whether this approach would work or not.</p>
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